either jon stewart's humor our rush limbaugh's sharp hung. spiff what you said not to longer was was the commercial success of both fox and msnbc has become a source of nonpartisan fatness for you. meaning what? >> meany, i mean you and i have known for many, many years that we operate in a business, but as we were saying a few minutes ago, that business used to make all of its money with "i love lucy" and jack benny and 77 sunset strip and whatever was hot back in the '60s and '70s, made so much money on those programs that they could afford to spend 20, 30, 40, $50 million a year covering the world. that is no longer the case. and that's dangerous. >> you know, my sense every now and again, ted, is that though there are good journalists in cable television, the whole package of cable television, when it is presented to the american people, tends to dbase just about anything it touches. that doesn't mean that every conversation is bad but it does mean that the package to me comes through as, as a negative, as something that makes fun of peop